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Do You Share Ancient Irish DNA? Find Out With GEDmatch
Do you share DNA with any of the four ancient Irish samples on GEDmatch? You can compare your DNA to Neolithic and Bronze Age remains uncovered in Northern Ireland. Here’s how to go about it.
How To Research Ancient Irish DNA Samples on GEDmatch
We have another article on using GEDmatch to research Neanderthal and other Archaic DNA samples. GEDmatch has a dedicated tool called “Archaic DNA Matches” to compare your DNA against a collection of specific samples.
However, the ancient Irish samples are not part of the Archaic DNA collection.
The Irish samples were pepared by Matt Kitching using the same techniques and uploaded as individual DNA kits to GEDmatch.
So, you will use the standard one-to-one comparison tool on GEDmatch to compare your DNA with each kit. There is a step-by-step tutorial in this article that takes you through the process. And we have a video walkthrough.
If you already know how to use GEDmatch tools, then here are the kit numbers:
| KIT NUMBER | DESCRIPTION |
| F999805 | Ballynahatty Neolithic Female |
| F999800 | Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1 |
| F999802 | Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2 |
| F999801 | Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3 |
The Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
The oldest sample is a Neolithic female found in the townland of Ballynahatty, on the southern side of Belfast, Northern Ireland. The remains are dated to about 5,200 years old.
I’ve pinned the location in this map to show where we’re talking about.
Researchers say that this woman had brown eyes and black hair. When comparing her genetic makeup to modern humans, she is most akin to people of Spain and Sardinia. But her DNA also points to ancestors from the Middle East.
There’s a photo of a reconstruction of the woman’s head in this article from the BBC.
The Rathlin Island Bronze Age Males
Rathlin Island is further north, off the coast of Antrim, Northern Ireland. People still live there, which makes it the most northern inhabited island off the coast of the island of Ireland.
These three male specimens date back to the Bronze age. They are dated from three to four thousand years old.
Unlike the Ballynahatty female, these men had genetic variants for blue eyes. They also have the most common Y type found in the modern Irish population. The DNA point to ancestors from the Pontic Steppes.
Evidence for Mass Migration Into Ireland
Dr Lara Cassidy of Trinity College Dublin says that modern Celts are closer to the Rathlin Island men than the Ballynahatty woman.
Genetic affinity is strongest between the Bronze Age genomes and modern Irish, Scottish and Welsh.
Professor Dan Bradley of Trinity points out that these genomes show evidence of a wave of migration into the island of Ireland.
There was a great wave of genome change that swept into Europe from above the Black Sea into Bronze Age Europe and we now know it washed all the way to the shores of its most westerly island.
Just in case you’re puzzled by Professor Bradley’s Irish fondness for verbal flair – the “most westerly island of Europe” is, indeed, Ireland.
Ready To Compare Your DNA To These Ancient Irish?
Now that you have a bit of background, here is how to compare your own DNA to these four samples. You will need to have tested with one of the main consumer DNA testing companies. These include:
- Ancestry
- 23andMe
- MyHeritage
- FamilyTreeDNA
- Living DNA
Upload Your DNA to GEDmatch
Follow this step-by-step article on how to upload your DNA to GEDmatch.
Or watch this video walkthrough on uploading your DNA to GEDmatch.
And always review the privacy and security policies of any site you intend to place your DNA with. If you’re satisfied and have uploaded your DNA to GEDmatch, then follow along with the next step-by-step tutorial on comparing your DNA to the ancient Irish kits.
A Video Walkthrough Of Comparing DNA With Ancient Irish Matches
If you prefer video, then here you go. Read further for an illustrated guide.
A Step-By-Step Guide To Comparing Your DNA To Ancient Irish Matches
1. Launch The One-To-One Autosomal Comparison Report
2. Enter Your Kit Number And One Of the Ancient Samples
If you’re not sure, this article section shows you how to find your own GEDmatch kit number.
3. Set The Minimum Threshold To 3 cM
If you don’t set a threshold, the default 7 cM will be used. You will probably not get any shared DNA at that level.
4. Compare Your DNA!
Hit the Compare button and scroll down the display to find any shared DNA.
How Do You Compare With Me?
I share 3.3 cM with the Ballynahatty female on chromosome #15.
I share 4.8 cM with Rathlin Man 1 on chromosome #18.
There is no shared DNA above 3 cM between myself and the other two Rathlin Island specimens.
Feel free to post a comment below with your own results.
Be Cautious With Small Segments Of DNA
It’s important not to draw conclusions or make too much out of such small segments of DNA. At these low levels, the reason for matching segments could be due to chance.
Our article on matching archaic DNA matches has a section on low thresholds of shared DNA. I discuss inheritance by chance, by common ancestor, and by population. It’s worth a read if you’re not familiar with these terms.
I’ll repeat here that examining these ancient DNA samples is for pure curiosity and fascination. I simply marvel at the fact that I can compare DNA to people born on the same island as me – thousands of years ago.
More Articles and Tutorials?
Comments
275 responses to “Do You Share Ancient Irish DNA? Find Out With GEDmatch”
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5.9 cm with Ballynahatty female. 5.4cm with Rathlin Man 1. Plus other smaller matches with both. No matches to the other two.
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Share most with Rathlin man 1 ( largest 6 cMs). Smaller maintenance with female nothing with the other 2
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COMPARAISON AVECF999805 ballynahatty ET MOI QUI PEUT M AIDER A COMPRENDRE JE DEBUTE MERCI
Largest segment = 4.9 cMTotal Half-Match segments (HIR) 13.7cM (0.382 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
201471 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.642 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.193.
CPU time used: 0.025.
ET F999800 RATHLINLargest segment = 4.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 4.9cM (0.137 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
203124 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.485 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.215.
CPU time used: 0.028.Ver: Mar 22 2021 10 50 48
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thank you for the details
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Vous semblez avoir une petite quantité d’ADN (4,9 cM) en commun avec une Irlandaise d’il y a 5000 ans. Sous 7cM, ça peut être le fruit du hasard ou un segment commun à une grande partie des Européens. Le groupe Facebook Généalogie par ADN (Héritage français) pourrait vous être utile.
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I share dna with f999800 , f999801 , f999805
22.1cm with 801 largest segment 4.8With 800…8.6cm largest 4.4
With 805 22.5 largest segment 4.8
I match three of them -
Ballynahatty female
Chr. 1 3.8 CM.
Chr. 12 3.6
Chr 18 3.8
Chr. 18 5.2
Chr. 22 4.3Rathlin Island Man 1
Chr. 1 = 3.1
Chr. 11 = 3.2
Chr. 12 = 3.3
Chr. 19 = 4 cm. -
My mother shares 50.9cM, largest segment 8.9cM with Rathlin Man 1, and 24.7cM, largest segment 4.3cM with Ballynahatty.
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2 shared segments on Chr 23, largest 5.9 cMs, total 9.1 cMs with Ballynahatty female. Interesting in that my great Grandparents were born around Ballynahatty and were members of the 1st Ballynahatty Presbyterian church there, early to mid 1800’s before coming to Australia
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Ooh, that local connection is fascinating.
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Hi Margaret
My name is Glenda O’Reilly and I have traced my Irish connection from Ireland, to Quebec, to Newfoundland, where I was born.
I just share Chr 17 3.1 cM with Ballynahatty Female. I have ancestors who lived in nearby Ballyskeagh.
I share seven chr with Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1:
Chr 1 3.7 cM
Chr 8 3.1
Chr 10 3.4
Chr 11. 4.7
Chr 15. 3.1
Chr 18. 4.3
Chr 22. 5.1I do not have a match with the other two Bronze Age Males.
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thank you for these details.
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F999800
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 243,602,390 244,824,192 3.6 224
6 111,424,015 116,631,933 3.4 590
11 131,331,105 132,671,611 3.7 344
16 79,136,139 79,655,663 3.2 216
18 7,174,604 8,213,200 4.8 236Largest segment = 4.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18.7cM (0.521 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
430959 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.533 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.02.
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thank you for the details
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Hello, I live in the USA, my father was adopted, but we know his mother’s maiden name was Cunningham and dna research says I’m Irish. My results:
Rathlin Bronze Age male 1: Largest segment = 3.8 cM
Chromosome 3= 3
Chrom. 5= 3.2
Chrom. 14= 3.4
Chrom. 17= 3.8
Chrom 18= 3.1
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 16.4cMNo matches w. other individuals.
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thank you for the details!
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hummm that is not possible i’m a Iberian and i do share 4 segments too total 19 centograms
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Running the Ancient data tool I show at 0.5, 1 and 2cm connection with some/all 4 but it has all but disappeared with only Rathlin1 remaining at 2cm then gone by 3cm. This means that when I run the one to one I get no match at all. Disappointing somewhat but reassuring that these are my strongest (greatest matches) on all the Archaic data groups.
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Hi, my mother also matches Ballynatty woman on ch.23, 4.3 cM on two points, overall 8.6 cM’s. I’m fascinated because this is the X chromosome which mothers pass on to daughters. She also matches her on ch.4 and 19 with smaller cM’s.
Ballynatty female – chromosome 1- 3.3cm
” 12 – 3.7cm
” 18 -3.5 cm, 3.9 cm
Rathylyn man 1 – chromosome 2 – 3.1cm
” 3 – 4.3cm
” 16 – 3.2cm, 3.3cm
” 18 – 3.1cm
no others
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thank you for the details
I share 8 segments largest 4.3cM total half match segments of 28.7cM with Ballynahatty Neolithic Woman
I share 5 shared segments with total half match segments shared of 18cM. Largest segment 4.6cM
w Rathlin Bronze Age Man 1
No shared segments with 2 and 3 Rathlin Bronze Age Man
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thank you, very interesting
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very interesting
I share 11.8 cM in three segments of 3.1, 4.4 and 4.3 with the Ballynahatty woman
I share 31 cM over 8 separate segments with Rathlin 1 and none at all with Rathlin 2 or 3
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thank you for the details
Ballynahatty female Ch1 3.5 and 3.1 also Ch 17 3.2
Rathlin man 1 Ch 5 3.1 Ch7 3.6. Ch17 3.1
No matches on the other 2
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thank you for the breakdown
Fascinating…My mother: Ballynahatty Female Ch1 3.3 Bronze Male 1 Ch6,15 Largest Seg 5.2 Total 9.1
Me: B Female Chr 3,4,8,17,22 Largest Seg 4.2 Total 17.7cM
Br Male 1 Chr 2,4,5,11 Largest Seg 3.8 Total 23.7
My mother is mainly Irish/English, where as I have a chunk of Sicilian/Chilean ( originally from Spain)
But what is truly mind-blowing is your link mentioned that one of the Bronze Males carried the mutation for Haemochromatosis (Iron overload) and the Ballynahatty woman also carried a variant for H associated with increased risk. I actually have that increased risk variation which is aggressive. My mother is a carrier.
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Thank you for the details.
The haemochromatosis gene is more prevalent with Irish heritage, one in five modern Irish are carriers.
Ballynahatty Neolithic Woman chr 1,7,22-largest segment 4.4( C22) Total 11cM
Rathlin Bronze Age Male1 chr 7,8,9,11,18,22 largest segment4.3 (C7) Total23.9 cM
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thank you for the breakdown
Share with female chr 1, 3.5, chr 14 3.4, chr 15 4 and 3.8, chr 22 3.4 total 18.1cM
Male 1 chr 4 3.1, chr 10 3, chr 12 3 and chr 15 4.2 total 13.4cM
My Mother’s sister, her bother, myself, my sister and my brother all match with Rathlin ismand man 1, my brother matches at 21.5cm, myself, my sister, my aunt match at 11.5cm ,my uncle matches at 7.7cm.
Hi
Ballynahatty woman
4 shared segments
Chr1- 3.2
Chr3 – 3
Chr7 – 3
Chr7 – 3.1
51.851 PcT SNPs are full identical
Rattlin Man 1
5 shared segments
Chr1 – 3.8
Chr2 – 3.7
Chr4 – 3
Chr12 – 4.2
Chr18 – 5.1
52.224 Pct SNPs are full identical
No marches with Ratlin Male 2 &3
Ancestry ethnicity estimate 74% Ireland (Donegal) 22% Scotland
I’m Australian, but have Irish ancestry from all four of my grandparents, some probably more recent as they were protestants and some from older Irish family lines. All up about 25% of my DNA is Irish. The rest is Scottish and English
I share 3.9 on Chr 20 with Ballynahatty Female
With Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1 I share:
3.7 on chr 1, 3.4 on chr 2, 3.7 and 3.4 on two segments of chr 6, 3.3 and 3.1 on two segments of chr 11 and 3.7 on chr 21.
No shared DNA with the other 2 Rathlin men
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
ch1 213,926,607 216,313,208 3.4 392
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
4 66,305,150 71,629,537 4.1 510
5 8,074,665 9,565,826 3.2 317
6 7,501,676 8,908,960 3 262
6 23,910,793 26,479,150 3.6 578
8 80,990,280 84,824,015 3.3 430
9 2,640,492 3,960,429 3.2 312
12 78,728,727 82,108,108 3.4 388
15 27,944,247 29,735,946 4.9 237
my mother
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
7 29,551,124 31,085,162 3.1 283
11 21,669,202 23,494,877 3.1 236
16 12,720,771 13,809,369 3.1 234
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
1 37,200,680 38,685,317 3.1 235
3 55,125,641 59,191,320 4.3 558
5 7,839,688 9,547,129 3.5 376
15 27,756,585 29,589,782 5.5 254
18 7,381,270 8,506,957 4.9 283
18 10,799,504 12,021,868 3.2 289
18 73,089,996 74,227,095 3.1 273
No Matches for the other two for either my mother or I
Comparing Kit JC7880463 (Janice Yule) [Ancestry] and Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty, Ireland, 3.2ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 11,807,426 13,176,463 3.5 224
1 214,437,315 216,675,354 3.4 348
4 2,452,087 4,285,813 3.2 216
4 83,478,684 86,704,339 4.1 416
4 184,902,533 185,781,717 3 204
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.2cM (0.48 Pct)
Weird, buy maybe relevant that my mum’s matches are on 2 Chromosomes.
The description fits her to a tee – black hair, brown eyes, regularly mistaken for Mediterranean origin when she was young.
Her dad was (recently discovered), almost 75% Irish – records patchy – Taylors from Antrim, Johnston’s, Kings from same and Belfast area. I have DNA evidence of ancestors that went to the US – to a Samuel Taylor (1700).
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Comparing Kit JC7880463 (Janice Yule) [Ancestry] and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1, Ireland, 2.0ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cm
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
5 3,569,556 4,599,400 3.1 244
7 151,426,105 152,784,233 3.9 242
8 132,359,241 134,468,864 3.9 457
9 110,332,569 112,199,506 3.1 445
10 122,483,407 123,751,997 3 319
13 92,119,265 94,752,825 3.5 382
16 79,049,341 79,553,233 3.6 213
17 58,024,324 62,404,390 4.2 400
Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 28.2cM (0.786 Pct)
No hits to the other 2.
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Thank you, that’s very interesting about your mum.
Just to add – the area I have for my maternal Grandfathers Antrim Taylor’s is Ahoghill? Others link to Belfast and Dromore.
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Ahoghill is in the same county, Antrim, but further north than Ballynahatty. Getting closer to Rathlin Island, actually 🙂
I have a 8.2cm match with Rathlin Male 1on Chromosome 1 and smaller matches on 3 other chromosomes. I have smaller matches, largest 3.6 cm, with Ballynatty female on 4 chromosomes. My mother’s Irish ancestry is from Ulster.
My only match is with Rathlin male 1: 3.1 cM on Chr #6 and 6.6 cM on Chr #9
My Results. Nothing on Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2
My Heritage says I’m Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 100%
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
7 151,720,622 153,205,490 4.4 276
22 22,416,006 23,803,722 3.8 200
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
2 189,821,391 193,031,408 3.2 560
4 71,453,028 75,654,722 3.8 562
7 153,531,897 154,432,760 3.1 205
8 16,983,693 18,457,679 3.1 675
11 18,275,661 19,977,718 4.6 475
12 129,657,564 130,349,406 3.4 283
16 79,108,354 79,638,078 3.4 264
22 48,146,737 48,708,486 3.3 255
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3
4 81,057,927 83,758,827 3.1 213
I have a strong maternal Irish connection from Mayo. Dublin Tipperary and Longford. The results of the comparison is as follows:
Ballynahatty Female
Chromosome 6 3.5 cM
Rathin Man 1
Chromosome 14 3.4cM
Chromosome 15 3.5 cM
Chromosome 18 5.1 cM
Chromosome 22 4.8 cM
I see that there a quite a few of us who share chromosome 18 under Rathin Man 1
No matches for Rathin Man 2 or 3
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Yes, Rathlin Man 1 is standing out.
Very interesting. Is it true that the Rathlin 1 man has most connection with the modern population of Ireland?
I share 44.8 cms with him over 10 chromosomes (11 segs): largest segment 6.6.
This is mostly on my mothers side but I must have some from my (Cornish plus 1/4 Irish) father’s side also – as my mother’s match to Rathlin 1 is slightly less than me at 33.9 cms.
My paternal haplogroup also matches the Longniddry L1066 ancient DNA sample (East Lothian Scotland).
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Dominic, you raise a good question about whether Rathlin 1 has the most affinity with modern Irish. I’ll have to dig into this a bit more.
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I had an ancestor that immigrated to the US from Nothern Ireland to the US in the 1700’s.
I share matches with Rathlin1 and the female.
Ballynahatty Female
Chr 2 3.6 CM
Chr 3 3.2 CM
Chr 5 3.6 CM
Chr 10 3.9 CM
Chr 12 3.2 CM
Chr 15 3.6 CM
Chr 21 3.9 CMRathlin1
Chr 1 3 CM
Chr 1 3.1 CM
Chr 15 5.3 CM
Chr 18 4.9 CM
Chr 22 4.6 CM-
Thank you for the breakdown.
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I was very surprised to see I match Rathlin 1! I think it’s quite a good match as well?
Chr 1 3.3
Chr11. 10.2 (that’s quite good isn’t it? )
Chr12. 3.2
Chr 21. 3.5
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10 cM, wow! I share less cM with known 3rd cousins. You’re top of the leader board.
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What does it mean to have a match so high (relatively speaking) on the one segment? Any insight?
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No, I wasn’t expecting anyone to get that high. I’m going to ask a few people I know to see if its a major outlier. I’ve got your email (because of your comment) so if I find anything interesting, I’ll send you the info.
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Thank you!
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I match Ballynahatty Female on Chromosome 1- 3.3 and 3.3 and on Chromosome 19 – 3.5
Also match Rathlin Man No 1
Chr. 1 – 3.4
Chr. 2 – 3.8
Chr. 3 – 3.0
Chr.13 – 3.3
Chr. 14 – 3.6
Chr. 15 – 4.1
Chr. 16 – 3.1
No matches on other two Rathlin men
I have Irish and Scottish ancestry, possibly Donegal, West Coast and Highland Scotland as well as Borders.
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That’s quite a few chromosomes with Rathlin Man 1!
4 Segments totalling 14.1 cM with Ballynahatty female, Chromosomes 3, 12 and 13 (largest 4.0 cM)
8 Segments totalling 28.9 cM with Rathlin 1 male on Chromosomes 1, 2, 4, 5, 12 and 20 (largest 5.7 cM)
I match Ballynahatty Female. 6 shared segments, largest segment 8.2cM. Total cM of 25.1 cM.
Chr. 1 – 3.3, 4.1
Chr. 2 – 3.0
Chr. 3 – 3.4
Chr. 15 – 3.2, 8.2 — is the 8.2 cM significant??
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1. 6 shared segments, largest segment 4.6 cM. Total cM of 23.3 cM.
Chr. 1 – 4.6
Chr. 7 – 3.3
Chr. 17 – 3.9
Chr. 18 – 3.2
Chr. 21 – 3.9
Chr. 22 – 4.4
No matches on Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2 or 3.
I have a great grandmother from West Galway. My Great grandfather may have also been from Ireland, but not sure where.
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8.2 cM is one of the larger segments I’ve seen.
My brother has one match on Chr 18 at 11.5cm
no matches with the other samples
match two the Ballynahatty and Rathlin1. biggest match is Rathlin1 with 7.2 on cm on
chr16 6,565,929 9,474,056 cm7.2 snps935
full results for Rathlin1
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
5 173,345,409 174,167,623 3.1 206
10 57,744,510 62,010,523 3.6 560
11 22,881,542 24,921,347 3.1 357
13 105,485,790 106,393,146 3.2 209
14 96,846,092 98,188,382 3.6 285
15 95,678,197 96,619,516 3.4 230
16 6,565,929 9,474,056 7.2 935
Largest segment = 7.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 27cM (0.752 Pct)
7 shared segments found for this comparison.
430328 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.227 Pct SNPs are full identical
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And for Ballynahatty full results are
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
11 128,635,679 130,090,904 3.1 299
21 36,839,841 38,121,537 3.2 231
22 21,444,030 23,708,833 5.4 233
22 25,928,620 26,974,741 3.6 295
Largest segment = 5.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 15.3cM (0.427 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
426088 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.762 Pct SNPs are full identical
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thank you for the breakdown!
I am an American mongrel, A657252. Both of my mother’s parents were adopted, so we never knew much about her family, but we did know that red hair has come up a few times in her family, including my son, plus my own beard is red (while the rest of my hair is brown), so we always figured we had some Irish or Scottish heritage. Based on recent ancestry research using my grandmother’s birth certificate, I have been able to confirm both Irish & Scottish, many many generations back in the deep hills of Kentucky.
Now with this ancient Irish DNA, I see the strongest connection with Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1:
2 7,035,755 8,096,549 3.5 243
2 72,167,136 75,449,983 4.5 370
2 182,305,424 188,755,657 3.2 517
5 32,614,500 34,716,270 3.5 369
9 1,373,944 2,636,161 4.5 475
10 106,571,525 112,175,889 5.1 668
10 130,624,006 131,601,957 4.2 243
15 27,869,712 29,760,516 5.3 272
16 79,006,863 79,553,233 3.9 239
Largest segment = 5.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 37.6cM (1.05 Pct)
I am also a good match with the woman, 22.3 cM, plus another 3 cM on X.
No hits with Man #2 or #3.
This is really interesting, thanks for sharing!
That was fun! Woman and Guy 1. Paternal family is from Achill Island, maternal family from the north but Scots Irish.
Thanks!
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Guy 1 is outdoing the other two males for sure!
I’m a 25.7 cM match with Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1. Is that significant? Largest segment is 5.7 cM.
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The individual segments are more indicative than summing them up. But 5.7 cm is a higher segment size than I have with any of the specimens.
With Ballynahatty female
C9 – 3.1
C17- 3.0
C18 – 4.9
C22 – 3.3
With Rathlin #1
C2 3.4
C3 3.2
C6 3.7
C9 3.1
C11 3.5
Relatives from around Portadown
On my GEDmatch number:
17.4 cm total with the Neolithic Ballynahatty female:
3.3 cm on CH2
3.3 cm on CH15
3.3 cm on CH17
3.0 cm on CH21
4.6 cm on CH22
35.3 cm total with Rathlin Island Man1:
6.1 cm on CH1
3.1 cm on CH3
3.4 cm on CH4
3.1 cm on CH17
8.6 cm on CH18
3.4 cm on CH19
7.7 cm on CH20
For my wife’s kit
14.6 cm total with the Neolithic Ballynahatty female
3.9 cm on CH2
4.1 cm on CH8
3.4 cm on CH16
3.2 cm on CH17
23.1 cm total with Rathlin Island Man1
3.1 cm on CH3
3.5 cm on CH5
3.4 cm on CH7
3.0 cm on CH14
3.5 cm on CH20
3.6 cm on CH21
Ballynahatty female:
Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments 6.3c
2 shared segments.
Rathlin man 1:
Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments 25.4cM
7 shared segments.
No matches for Rathlin 2 or 3.
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Paternal family: Clonakilty, other Cork and Glensaul (Partry). Red hair and grey eyes, very commonly featuring. Maternal family: Dublin and Wexford. All with very dark hair and hard to tell in old photos but likely brown eyes. My maternal great great grandmother from Dublin, was described as having the appearance of being Spanish.
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thank you for the background, very interesting.
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I share 3.1 cM on chromosome 6 with the Ballynahatty woman. I have multiple Irish heritage lines, from Antrim, Galway, Dublin and Wicklow. No matches to the men. Fascinating!
I have Irish/Scottish/Welsh/Scandinavian/East European/Middle Eastern. My father is Irish/Scottish/Scandinavian/Baltic.
My father’s mother and her brother were very dark skinned, Black hair, but my Grandmother had very Blue eyes!… and the rest of the siblings and their parents had Sandy fair hair and fair skin. Another who inherited the very dark skin and hair was the only child and daughter of my Grandmother’s brother who also had the same colouration. My Grandmother’s family immigrated in the late 1800’s from Ireland. My father’s Paternal Scottish side also had dark skin and hair however NOT as dark as his Irish mother, Uncle and this Uncle’s daughter.
The Mystery of where the Dark skin and Hair of my Grandmother, her brother and his daughter ‘is still a Mystery. She used to get asked if she was West Indian or Maori.
F999805 Ballynahatty woman vs my Kit.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 55,107,055 57,275,564 3.1 595
2 33,405,978 35,929,940 3.5 664
8 6,897,900 8,761,295 3.1 256
9 38,292,733 71,370,051 4.2 266
17 9,901,677 10,814,742 3.6 261
17 33,297,065 35,806,418 3.1 440
Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Ballynahatty woman vs my Father’s Kit
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
9 123,699,083 126,914,307 3.6 223
10 99,210,911 102,396,789 3.4 215
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
My Male Cousin on My Mothers Sister’s side who married a chap whose Father’s family immigrated from Ireland
Has a small match with Ballynahatty woman also.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
4 74,750,051 78,045,685 3.5 227
Largest segment = 3.5 cM
Rathlin Bronze age man 1 vs my Kit
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
4 71,459,248 75,272,863 3.4 534
4 187,455,946 188,665,614 3.1 283
8 6,823,933 8,760,138 3.3 263
14 30,147,686 32,021,438 3.1 319
16 6,146,730 7,648,662 4.5 771
16 78,980,401 79,353,899 3.1 246
18 7,105,838 8,001,853 4.3 267
Largest segment = 4.5 cM
Rathlin Bronze age man 1 vs my Father’s Kit
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
7 18,934,838 20,941,262 3.2 203
13 70,286,388 72,909,174 3.5 216
16 6,181,851 7,694,876 4.5 300
Largest segment = 4.5 cM
Rathlin Bronze age man 1 vs my Male Cousin on Maternal side
NO Match
Rathlin Bronze age man 2 vs My Kit, my Father’s Kit, my Male Cousin Kit..NO Matches for either 3 Kits
Rathlin Bronze age man 3 vs My Kit
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
22 25,753,387 27,045,504 4.4 409
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Rathlin Bronze age man 3 vs my Fathers Kit
Kit F999803 (Bichon, Switzerland, 13.7ky cal BP) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
15 27,419,937 30,251,011 8 238
Rathlin Bronze age man 3 vs My Male Cousin on Maternal side…
NO Match
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Thank you for all the details, much appreciated!
F999805 Ballynahatty
– 3 on Chromosome 3
F999800 RATHLIN MALE 1
– 3.7 on Chromosome 3
– 3.5 on Chromosome 6
– 3.1 on Chromosome 12
– 4.1 on Chromosome 17
– 5.2 on Chromosome 18
– 8 on Chromosome 20
F999802 RATHLIN MALE 2
– No shared DNA segments found
F999801 RATHLIN MALE 3
– No shared DNA segments found
Comparing Kit F999805
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 10,934,895 12,641,488 4.6 323
3 112,355,977 115,396,581 3 458
Comparing Kit F999800
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 20,735,452 22,835,677 3.2 374
16 79,086,731 79,621,023 3.5 228
No match on the other 2 kits.
I share a total of 15.6cM over 4 chromosomes with Ballynahatty woman, and 14.8 cM over 4 chromosomes with Rathlin1. No matches on the other two.
The largest segment shared with Ballynahatty woman is 5.5cM on Chr1.
Migration patterns fascinate me. I am predominantly English with no known Irish ancestry at all, though I do have one grandparent from Lithuania. My English grandfather thought his surname was of Viking origin.
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That’s really interesting, thank you!
Ballynahatty Lady
Chr: 1 )
B37 Start Pos’n: 157,811,392
B37 End Pos’n: 159,697,475
Centimorgans (cM): 3.4
SNPs: 338
Chr: 9
B37 Start Pos’n: 129,428,677
B37 End Pos’n: 132,098,060
Centimorgans (cM): 4
SNPs: 320
Chr: 12
B37 Start Pos’n: 128,075,482
B37 End Pos’n: 128,716,220
Centimorgans (cM): 3.3
SNPs: 200
Rathlin Male 1
Chr: 4
B37 Start Pos’n: 14,137,784
B37 End Pos’n: 15,915,036
Centimorgans (cM): 3.2
SNPs: 311
Chr 6
B37 Start Pos’n: 1,627,632 32,976,654
B37 End Pos’n: 2,744,554 36,248,957
Centimorgans (cM): 3.5 3
SNPs: 241 542
Chr:
B37 Start Pos’n: 185,632 1,732,880
B37 End Pos’n: 132,395,245 133,572,684
Centimorgans (cM): 4.4 3.1
SNPs: 585 234
9 4.4 585
9 3.1 234
No match to Rathlin 2 or 3
I’m just beginning to learn about DNA so at the moment I have no idea what this means but I do hope it helps in your research
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Thank you for laying it out!
This is quite interesting! I have run 3 kits and none have matches to the 2nd or 3rd males.
The first kit, my mother-in-law, whose grandparents were from Antrim, has 9 shared segments with the Ballynahatty female, the largest being 4.1 cM.
Her son has 5 shared segments, the largest being 8 cM. (He does have Irish ancestors on his father’s side.)
I have 3 matches to the female, the largest being 3.8 cM. 1/2 of my immediate ancestors are from southern Ireland.
Our matches with the first male:
m-i-l 7 shared segs, largest being 4.7 cM
son 5 shared segs, largest being 5.1 cM
me 5 shared segs, largest being 5.5 cM
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Thank you for posting details about the three kits.
My mother was Irish from Kanturk District in County Cork and my father had a small amount of Irish from County Wicklow.
Here is my match to Rathlin 1
Comparing Kit A136674 (*Mary-Ellen Beaney) [Migration – F2 – A] and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1, Ireland, 2.0ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 31,168,219 34,071,525 3.4 515
1 43,298,871 48,998,748 4.2 1,024
5 14,877,474 16,706,530 3.1 321
7 4,923,925 7,131,289 3.9 323
7 97,017,795 101,454,616 3.5 755
9 21,674,425 25,281,912 4.4 797
20 6,887,765 8,190,613 3.3 314
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 25.7cM (0.717 Pct)
7 shared segments found for this comparison.
581357 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.446 Pct SNPs are full identical
Here is my match to Ballynahatty Woman
Comparing Kit A136674 (*Mary-Ellen Beaney) [Migration – F2 – A] and Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty, Ireland, 3.2ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 239,311,068 240,404,525 3 293
2 216,377,226 217,636,105 3.1 325
12 6,244,157 7,595,836 3.2 321
18 71,789,784 72,953,281 4.1 328
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 13.4cM (0.374 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
575868 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.174 Pct SNPs are full identical
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thank you for the details!
With Ballynahatty Neolithic Female:
Largest segment 5.5 cM on Chr 22
3.5 cM Chr 3
3.8 cM Chr 9
4.6 cM Chr 13
4.0 cM Chr 19
5.5 cM Chr 22
TotalHIR 21.3 cM
With Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1:
Largest segment 4.5 cM on Chr 16
3.1 cM Chr 2
4.1 cM Chr 3
3.5 cM Chr 12
3.0 cM Chr 13
3.1 cM Chr 13
3.3 cM Chr 13
4.3 cM Chr 14
3.1 cM Chr 16
3.2 cM Chr 16
4.5 cM Chr 17
3.9 cM Chr 18
4.2 cM Chr 22
Total HIR 43cM
None with either of the other 2 Rathlin Bronze Age Males
Hello!
Ballynahatty Woman:
Ch.1 3.8
Ch.3 3.1
Ch. 8 3.1
Ch. 18 3.1
Rathlin Man #1:
Ch 1 3.2
Ch.2 3.2
Ch.4 3.7
Ch.15 5.5
Ch. 15 3.7
Ch. 16 3.9
Ch. 18 3.9
Ch. 20. 3.3
No match on the other 2 men
I hope that someone realizes that F999800 has DNA from the c15 region 27-30M that is excess IBD per “Relationship Estimation from Whole-Genome Sequence Data” by Ling et al (2014) https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004144 (Table 3 “Genomic Regions in hg19 coordinates of at least 5-to-expected IBD of at least 4-fold”).
I find this very interesting that such an ancient kit has this excess IBD region. I hope someone will follow up with research on that and see if they can make some sense out of it — or determine if it is just a fluke of so many generations of genetic recombinations.
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Great point.
I share a total of 11.9 cM over 3 segments with F999805, the Ballynhatty Neolithic female – the largest segment being 5.3 cM, chromosome 10
With F999800, the Rathlin Bronze Age male 1, I share a total of 36.9 cM – the largest segment being 6.2 cM, chromosome 15
With Rathlin Bronze Age male 2, it’s a share of only 3.5 cM, chromosome 13
And I share none with Rathlin Bronze Age male 3.
Interesting – but does it meaning anything?
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Does it mean anything? Good question.
With current technology – with these low segments, all we can say for sure is that we’re all human! The lower the segment size, the higher the possibility that this is Identity By Chance. Genealogically, we are usually looking for a common ancestor with our DNA matches and that’s something that we cannot determine i.e. Identity By Descent.
The other possibility is that its Identity By Population i.e. the common DNA is prevalent in a particular community or region and has passed down to modern times. Right now, we can’t determine between these three possibilities. That may change with future technology and analysis.
Fascinating stuff!
My results are:
Ballynahalty Neolithic female
Ch10 3.2cM and
Ch18 3.8cM
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Ch2 3.4cM
Ch9 3.4cM and 3.8cM
Ch12 4.2cM
Ch13 3.3cM
Ch20 3.8cM
Nothing for the other two. My father was from Belfast and his family from Lisburn and surrounds as far as I can get with records.
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thank you for the insights!
Comparing Kit F999805
Largest segment = 4.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 15.1cM (0.422 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
581522 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.326 Pct SNPs are full identical
Chr 3, 18 and 22
Comparing Kit F999800
Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 23.2cM (0.646 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
587028 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.43 Pct SNPs are full identical
chr 5,6,
14,18 and 22
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Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.1cM (0.087 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
274050 SNPs used for this comparison.
59.056 Pct SNPs are full identical
very little with F999801 on chr 1
Nothing with F999802I’d like to figure out my maternal Line. My brick wall is Margaret O’connor. She moved from Ireland to Canada. Her husband was John Dunn. He wasn’t the only John Dunn to say the least lol. We all ended up in Upstate NY shortly there after. They were protestants. A lot of DNA matches have he listed as Mary Connor. My maternal haplogoup is U5b2c2b
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thank you for the details! And best of luck with Margaret O’Connor.
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I have Ballynahatty 3 times on Chromosome 23 at 3.4, 3.1 and 3.5. My 2GGF came from Ireland but he is a major brick wall.
I have – Ballynahatty female My mother has – Ballynahatty female
Chr.2 – 3.1cM Chr. 1 – 4.4cM
Chr.4 – 4 cM Chr.16 – 3.4cM
Chr.10 – 3.9cM Chr.18 – 3.9cM
Chr.12 – 3.6cM
Chr.20 – 3.3cM
Rathlin 1 Rathlin 1
Chr. 3 – 3.1cM Chr. 3 – 3.1cM
Chr. 4 – 3.1cM Chr. 4 – 3.8cM
Chr. 5 – 3.8cM Chr. 8 – 3.5cM
Chr.10 – 4.3cM Chr.12 – 3.1cM
Chr.18 – 4.7cM Chr.15 – 4.1cM
Chr.21 – 3.5cM Chr.15 – 3.7cM
Chr.21 – 4.7cM
Nothing for Rathlin 1/2
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Thank you for the details!
This looks like some actual possibilitities. Though individual matches are quite small, there are a lot of them. MyHeritage claims 27% Irish, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else puts it that high; Ancestry thinks 10% Welsh, 6% Irish; 23andMe says total 15.9% all Celtic AND British. Looking at actual paper-trail locations, a big part of the Welsh is from Anglesey, near Holyhead, just across the water from Ireland. Most of my DNA is not from the UK.
I have NO match with Rathlins 2 and 3. They do not overlap each other with mine. Here are my matches with the lady and with Rathlin 1:
1. Ballynahatty 3 segment matches:
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 244,532,937 245,653,992 4.1 285
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
5 74,184,144 76,004,933 3.2 417
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
7 150,068,933 151,359,434 3.2 383
2. Rathlin 1 F899800 7 segment matches:
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
3 73,341,692 77,154,433 4.5 730
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
4 149,537,415 153,920,579 3.5 564
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
17 14,206,323 16,229,232 6 581
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
18 6,485,543 7,376,123 4.8 330
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
19 53,116,060 53,895,816 3.2 220
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
20 15,234,769 16,696,462 3.6 613
20 58,302,395 59,071,893 3.4 217
Edit to say “Most of the rest of my DNA is not from the UK or Ireland” just to clarify that that is what I meant.
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Thank you for the details!
I find this whole field fascinating – but despite the tidal wave of archaeological DNA being documented now, it’s just not getting through to places like GedMatch where the average person can compare. Felix’s amazing effort pioneered this, but he stopped. Matt picked up with the Irish results, but he hasn’t blogged since 2016.
The really old DNA will be in frustratingly short sequences, but, for example, sequences from London plague-pits might stand a good chance at being in genealogically useful lengths.
I tried dipping my toes in this stuff a year or so ago, but got overwhelmed quickly with the terminology (file conversion stuff). It seems like it ought to be relatively straight-forward – if someone laid out the process. Are you someone who could blog this? Or are there reasons why, perhaps GedMatch would prefer it didn’t happen? Cheers, Mike
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I did tinker with the tools that are still on Felix website, but this isn’t my wheelhouse either.
I assume Verogen (the company who bought Gedmatch) are neutral about it or they’d take down the Archaic Ancestors link. Much of the website is a collection of research projects and sometimes the researchers move on (taking their documentation with them).-
Thanks Margaret, if the stars align I might have another crack at it! Cheers.
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I don’t understand how, with one odd exception, not a single one of my matches with this Irish DNA match in any way with the matches of my mother, father, father’s sister, father’s cousin and mother’s cousin have. How does this work?
That one exception is with F999800 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
My one fragment in common with my father’s (phased) DNA both end at the same point.
Me: Chr 1 11,797,186-13,176,463 3.6 cM 302 SNPs
Father: Chr 1 11,922,298-13,176,463 3.2 cM 231 SNPs
So my match is longer than my father’s, and my matches on two other chromosomes are not in either my mother or father.
I see other people are getting similar results.
Cheers,
Mike
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I answered this question on my blog recently Mike, see https://blackravengenealogy.blogspot.com/2020/11/ancient-irish-dna-or-lack-of.html
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Good article, Dara!
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Oh good- thanks Dara! I’ll need some time to read and digest your post properly – but much appreciate you pointing it out. Cheers, Mike
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So basically no mystery – the fact that my ‘shared’ ancient DNA is found neither in my mother’s or my father’s genome, is the proof that its pure coincidence. As you say, “truly false matches”. Oh well… ):
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Thanks, Mike and Dara. Like many, I’m not in a position to have my parents’ DNA. So it’s very useful to see the results from a wider net.
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My results
B female c12@ 3.2, c13@ 3.9, c15@ 3.7, c21@ 3.6
Tot half match @14.3
R1 male c3@3.4, 3.6, 3.0, 3.2, c5@ 3.7, c7@ 3.6, c16 @ 4.0
C20@ 4.0, Tot half match@ 28.6
R2 male none
R3 male none
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Thank you for the details!
Do we know who these old people are? Would be nice to trace the line of descendents from them. I have an over 7cm with the female. I match with the female at 7.5 cm on Chr 22. There are several others too. I also have a match with the first two males.
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Thanks for posting the details. We don’t have lines for them.
I have no Irish ancestry as far back as my paper trail goes (i.e. roughly mid 18th century) but one half of my family is from south and central Wales, so I would expect there to be some similarity and indeed there is.
I share 24.8 cM with Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1, with the largest segment being 5.7 cM:
Chr 3: 3.4 + 3
Chr 11: 3.7
Chr 15 5.7
Chr 18: 5.5
Chr 20 3.5
I also have a smaller match with the Ballynahatty female (Chr 16: 3.3 cM) and nothing at all with the other two.
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thank you for the details.
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Thank you for having posted the instructions for comparing! It would be really interesting to read more if future research shows how much DNA from these people is shared by the modern population, not only in Ireland but in the UK, and if it is more commonly shared by people from the Celtic areas of west and north Britain than from the east.
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My Dad has 6.1 on Chrom. 4 and 5.7 on Chrom. 18. I have 5.7 and 5.3 at same spots. On 4 our match begins at exactly the same spot, on 18 it ends at exactly the same spot. Is this significant?
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Once the size is below 7 cM you’re dealing with a high possibility of chance. But that your dad has similar positions is interesting.
I am an American – so I am a mutt….
But this is my results, which I did find fascinating.
Ballynahatty Chromosome 23 Total Segment 16.7 Cm Largest Segment 6.1
Rathlin1 Total 16.4CM Largest segment = 3.6 cm
(Chr 1 3.1CM, Chr 2 3.2CM, Chr 4 3.3CM, Chr 10 3.4CM, Chr 18 3.6CM)
Rathlin2 None
Rathlin3 None
Interestingly, my first cousin results for Ballynathatty was Chromosome 23
Total segments 16.9cM Largest segment = 5.2 cM 4 shared segments
And 3 of them overlapped with my segments almost exactly.
but she had none for Rathlin 1, 2, or 3
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Thank you for the breakdown
I do not have any irish ancestry at all, my father comes from the region of lorraine (France/Germany), my mother from the region of the middle rhine valley(Germany).
My father:
Kit F999805 Ballynahatty, Ireland: Largest segment = 6.9 cM, Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 36.2cM (1.011 Pct),10 shared segments found for this comparison.
Kit F999800 Rathlin1, Ireland: Largest segment = 4.6 cM,Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 49.4cM (1.377 Pct),13 shared segments found for this comparison.
My mother :
Kit F999800 Rathlin1, Ireland: Largest segment = 4.6 cM, Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 32.6cM (0.91 Pct), 9 shared segments found for this comparison.
Kit F999805 Ballynahatty, Ireland: Largest segment = 4.6 cM,Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 26.1cM (0.727 Pct),7 shared segments found for this comparison.
Me:
Kit F999800 Rathlin1, Ireland:Largest segment = 5.4 cM, Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 22.6cM (0.63 Pct), 6 shared segments found for this comparison.
Kit F999805 Ballynahatty, Ireland: Largest segment = 4.1 cM,Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 7.6cM (0.213 Pct)
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thank you for posting the details
Bonjour,
je m’appelle Richard et f’ai fait le test:
je partage le chromosome11: 3.2cM et chromosome13: 3.8CM
ce qui me surprend c’est que ma famille est d’Afrique du Nord depuis des siècles et ce qui est très surprenant c’est que sur My heritage j’ai des correspondances avec des anglo-saxons!?
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Merci. Les nombres sont petit. C’est peut-etre un question du chance: heritage aleatoire.
Sorry, my French is poor – what I’m saying is that there is always the possibility of chance involved with small centimorgans, due to the random nature of inheritance.
Hi! I’m Italian (surely for at least 6 generations back on both sides).
Here are my results:
-Ballynahatty Neolithic
Chr:17
B37 Start Pos’n:14.258.901
B37 End Pos’n:15.610.167
Centimorgans (cM):5,5
SNPs:205
-Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Chr: 19
B37 Start Pos’n: 47.158.591
B37 End Pos’n: 50.444.061
Centimorgans (cM): 7,3
SNPs: 306
-Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2
No shared DNA
-Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3
No shared DNA
Have a nice day!
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Thank you for the details!
This is what I have that matches the lady.
Largest segment = 3.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 9.6cM (0.268 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
594799 SNPs used for this comparison.
54.474 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.15.
CPU time used: 0.041.
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Thank you for the details.
Hello Margaret,
With Ms. Ballynahatty, I have shared DNA on 13, 17, and 22:
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
13 30,644,418 31,814,464 3.5 381
17 30,004,528 31,827,478 3.5 393
17 77,453,363 78,157,995 3.3 138
22 21,409,018 23,412,017 4.8 221
With Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1 I have shared DNA on 1 2 3 5 6 10 12 16 17 18 19 20 22 – largest cm is 7 and a few chromosomes with 2 and 3 segments.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 977,780 2,040,898 3.7 149
1 77,217,180 81,447,213 3.7 858
2 10,061,592 11,655,487 4.4 474
3 164,524,259 169,634,639 3.7 716
5 32,986,782 35,239,886 3.5 493
6 1,824,483 3,316,746 4.3 418
6 24,101,448 30,724,430 3.6 3,034
6 134,887,047 137,349,025 3.6 393
10 3,330,587 3,930,571 3.3 220
10 59,590,078 63,237,480 3.8 755
10 130,769,047 131,471,179 3.1 212
12 128,037,474 128,795,947 3.9 292
16 20,975,069 23,298,727 3.1 316
17 70,763,732 71,536,725 3.1 252
18 6,956,238 8,450,713 7 475
19 54,137,359 54,639,868 3 118
20 14,911,683 15,959,943 3.2 410
20 60,460,263 61,521,515 3.3 271
22 21,458,082 23,417,677 4.7 208
22 48,212,275 49,030,818 5.4 361
Largest segment = 7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 77.2cM (2.151 Pct)
20 shared segments found for this comparison.
588576 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.467 Pct SNPs are full identical
With Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2 I have no shared DNA
With Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3 I have shared DNA on 11 and 16 (at 3.1 and 3.5 cm).
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thank you for the detailed breakdown
I share with Ballynahatty woman on Ch 1 and 2 over 3.0 also with Rathlin man 1, none with the other 2. I show no Irish in my 23 and me, though I show over half Iberian peninsula/Spainish and over 25% native/indigenous (America).
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Thank you for the details.
I match on
Kit F999805
Chr:14
B37 Start Pos: 99,835,434
B37 End Pos: 101,269,593
Centimorgans: 3.4
SNPs: 211
Kit F999800
Chr:11
B37 Start Pos: 18,901,853
B37 End Pos: 19,808,063
Centimorgans: 3.1
SNPs: 206
Chr:12
B37 Start Pos: 55,126,449
B37 End Pos: 58,556,734
Centimorgans: 3.1
SNPs: 371
Chr:15
B37 Start Pos: 27,793,837
B37 End Pos: 29,692,391
Centimorgans: 5.5
SNPs: 278
Chr:18
B37 Start Pos: 5,930,480
B37 End Pos: 6,873,354
Centimorgans: 4.1
SNPs: 253
Chr:19
B37 Start Pos: 51,631,236
B37 End Pos: 52,711,014
Centimorgans: 4.1
SNPs: 251
Chr:20
B37 Start Pos: 4,170,187
B37 End Pos: 5,425,342
Centimorgans: 4.7
SNPs: 365
There is no shared DNA above 3 cM between myself and the other two Rathlin Island specimens.
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Thank you for the details
Matching on
Kit no F999805
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
8 121,713,417 124,862,057 6.2 564
Kit no F999800
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 72,219,476 74,970,921 3.6 252
11 1,429,616 2,663,891 3.7 283
13 100,610,831 101,766,174 3 206
18 7,184,191 8,418,406 5.6 283
18 10,476,149 11,607,978 3.2 266
21 21,052,329 22,512,344 3.2 292
No matches on the other 2 kits
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Thank you for the details
Match on
Kit no F999805
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
14 99,835,434 101,269,593 3.4 211
Kit no F999800
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
11 18,901,853 19,808,063 3.1 206
12 55,126,449 58,556,734 3.1 371
15 27,793,837 29,692,391 5.5 278
18 5,930,480 6,873,354 4.1 253
19 51,631,236 52,711,014 4.1 251
20 4,170,187 5,425,342 4.7 365
No matches on the other 2 kits
I share the most with Rathlin1 (none 2/3) Chr 1 – 6.1 Chr 5 – 3.2 Chr 12 – 5.9 Chr 17 – 3 – 52.17 Pct SNPs are full identical. One with Ballynahatty. Chr 17 – 3.1 51.683 Pct SNPs are full identical.
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thank you for the details.
Hi Margaret. Very interesting. I got 18 shared segments for Rathlin1 with a total of 64.7cm half-match segments. Largest segment 4.7cm. Only had 2 matches with Balnahatty – largest at 3.1 and nothing for Rathlin 2/3.
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thank you for the details!
[…] have another article about running comparisons against ancient Irish DNA kits. The four kits were uploaded by Matt Kitching, and they also start with the F […]
Hi Margaret,
Thank you for enabling us to compare our DNA with these ancient ancestors, it is absolutely fascinating. My results are as follows:
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female, F999805.
She and I share three segments:
Chr 2: 3.5 cM
Chr 7: 3.2 cM
Chr 12: 3.1cM
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1 – F999800
He and I share eight segments.
Chr 1, there are two segments: 8.6 cM and 4.7cM
Chr 8: 3.1 cM
Chr 8: 4cM
Chr 10: 3.5cM
Chr 13; 4 cM
Chr 18: 5.4cM
Chr 19: 3.3cM
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2 – F999802
He and I have no shared segments.
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3 – F999801
He and I have no shared segments.
Margaret, in your video you mentioned that your maternal line comes from Cavan. My maternal line paper trail takes me back to Cavan in the late 1700s. I love it when DNA shows the accuracy of previous work.
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thanks for posting the details.
That’s impressive that you can get back to the late 1700s, I can get there for some lines but not all. That’s about the edge of the records.
Hello,
From the Netherlands two small segments.
Ballynahatty woman: Chr. 10, 3.1 cM, 206 SNP’s;
Rathlin male no. 1: Chr. 1, 4.3 cM, 254 SNP’s.
Nothing on the other males.
Probably noise but fun to see. WGS is on the way so maybe more surprises will be revealed once it is there…..
Greetings.
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Thank you for the details!
Hi, I have the following matches (my recent family is from India, DNA test on MyHeritage suggests 7% Irish / Scottish / Welsh)
F999805 Chr 12 Centimorgans (cM)3.4 SNPs 394
F999800 Chr 6 Centimorgans (cM) 3 SNPs 361
Chr 17 Centimorgans (cM) 4.4 SNPs 582
The others have matches but at less than 2cm according to https://www.gedmatch.com/fcgi-bin/archaic.cgi
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thank you for the details!
Comparing Kit T377013 (*Nell) [Migration – F2 – T] and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
15 27,290,231 29,890,883 8 513
Largest segment = 8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 8cM (0.223 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.4
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
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thank you for the details
Well I’m still a little bit confused how I could be related to this very ancient human from Irish while I’m not even an European. I’m a native of north Borneo in southeast Asia. I just uploaded my DNA file to GED match just to find out more about the origin of my people when i stumble upon this information. I’m also had a 4 percent Baltic DNA, and another 4.9 percent from east Meditrerranean
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If you have low cm matches, then this can be due to chance nature of inheritance. Also, many modern Irish people will have low connections to thes ancient samples. We are looking at periods of migration of peoples across continents.
If you’re interested in more recent times (e.g. within ten generations), then this won’t be much use to you. You wan want to start playing with the gedmatch admixture calculators – but remember they are also focused on ancient eras (neolithic etc).
For more recent ethnicity research, you’re better off with the estimates given by your DNA test provider (Ancestry? MyHeritage?). But you might have the same problem as I do with my half-African heritage – none of the DNA sites are currently great for non-European heritage.
Hello,
Just discovered GEDmatch and have discovered a lot which I am finding very fascinating.
Closest matches were:
Rathlin1 @ 4 segments with the largest at 6.1 cM. Total half match segments 18.3 cM. Ballynahatty @ 4 segments with the largest at 4.5 cM. Total half match segments 14.2 cM. No shared segments with the other 2 males.
This is intriguing because my DNA is Portuguese and Spanish dominate. This is the juice I have been searching for.
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thank you for the details. And good luck with your searching!
I share 1 segment with Ballynahatty – Chr. 12 = 3cM
I share 10 segments with Rathlin man 1;
Chr. 1 = 3.3cM, Chr. 2 = 3.7cM, Chr. 4(x2) = 3.3cM and 3.7cM, Chr. 13 = 3.3cM, Chr. 14(x2) = 4.1cM and 3.2cM, Chr. 15 = 4cM, Chr. 18 = 3.2cM, Chr. 21 = 3.1
I don’t share any dna with Rathlin man 2 or 3
I am from Scotland. I am 27.1% Scottish/Irish/Welsh, 5.2% Balkan and 3.1% Ashkenazi Jewish
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thank you for the details.
Strangely enough I have no known Irish ancestors. I am Spanish Basque and Portuguese with documented ancestors back to mid 1600. I have brown hair and hazel eyes. I have huge numbers of Neolithic and WHG in my lines. I have 2 small segs on chr 21, 6 for a total 7.2cM for F999805 Ballynahatty Neolithic Female.
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thank you for the details.
Ballynahatty Neotlithic and Myself
Largest segment = 4.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 36.4cM (1.016 Pct)
10 shared segments found for this comparison.
425441 SNPs used for this comparison.
52 Pct SNPs are full identical
Rathlin man 1 and I
Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 44cM (1.227 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
429654 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.34 Pct SNPs are full identical
Rathlin man 2 and I
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.1cM (0.087 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
294587 SNPs used for this comparison.
53.816 Pct SNPs are full identical
Rathlin man 3 and I
No match
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thank you for the details
I am from the US and do not know my connection to Ireland and Scotland yet. I share the following
Ballynahatty
22 8.1cM
Rathlin 1
7 3.7 cM
16 3.9 cM
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thank you for the details
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You are most welcome. Is an 8+ cM segment unusual for such an ancient match?
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Yes, its one of the highest reported here. Most people are seeing 3-4 cm. At 8 cM, you’re still well within the range of inheritance by chance but less so than the lower numbers.
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I share the following:
Ballynahatty woman
Chr 15 – 3.1
Chr 16 – 3.2
Chr 17 – 3.2
Chr 18 – 6.2
Rathlin man 1
Chr 10 – 3.4
Chr 11 – 3.2
Chr 12 – 3.1
Chr 16 – 4.4
Chr 18 – 4.9
No matches with Rathlin man 2 or 3.
I am unaware of any Irish ancestry. I am new to Gedmatch and DNA so this has been quite an exciting discovery.
I share the following:
Ballynahatty woman
Chr 15 – 3.1
Chr 16 – 3.2
Chr 17 – 3.2
Chr 18 – 6.2
Rathlin man 1
Chr 10 – 3.4
Chr 11 – 3.2
Chr 12 – 3.1
Chr 16 – 4.4
Chr 18 – 4.9
No matches with Rathlin man 2 or 3.
I am unaware of any Irish ancestry. I am new to Gedmatch and DNA so this has been quite an exciting discovery.
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thank you for the details.
I have Irish ancestors maternal and paternal from central Ireland – Cork, Limerick, and Tipperary. When I used the GEDMATCH ancient ancestors tool, the Rathlin 1 and Balynahatty showed the most small matches at .5, compared to any other ancient DNA. I have several segments over 5 cm in common with Rathlin 1, and a couple over 2 cm with Balynahatty. At one point a DNA site showed me having Sardinian ancestors (which I do not), but given that Balynahatty is similar to current Sardinian and Spanish populations, I now see where that signal came from. I carry a copy of the hemochromatosis gene.
Hi, our four grandparents were all from Ireland.
One line was from Dreenan, Co. Derry, Northern Ireland.
My 2 sisters and I have Gedmatch kits. We are very different in our appearance. I have medium brown hair, fair skin and dark blue eyes. One sister (sister 1) has very pale blue eyes, blonde curly hair and good complexion. My other sister (sister 2) looks quite Spanish, she has hazel eyes, dark brown hair and olive skin.
We have Co. Galway, Co. Limerick, Co. Tipperary and Co. Clare and possibly Co. Cork heritage as well.
My kit compared to Ballynahatty female:
chr 12 4.1cMs
chr 19 5.9
Sister 1 is no match
Sister 2:
chr 3 3.2 cMs
chr 12 4.1
chr 19 5.8
My kit compared to Rathlin Bronze Male 1:
chr 3 5.1cMs
chr 4 4.4
chr 6 3cMs
chr 11 4.8
chr 12 3.5
Sister 1:
chr 3 5.3cMs
chr 5 in 2 places 4.5 and 3.3
chr 6 3cMs
chr 7 4cMs
chr 11 5cMs
chr 20 4cMs
Sister 2:
chr 2 3.2 cMs
chr 5 3.6
chr 6 3cMs
chr 9 3.1
chr 17 3cMs
None of us share any DNA with Raithlin Bronze Male 2 or 3
This was such an interesting post. Thank you for sharing with us.
Regards
Hi Margaret,
My 3xggparents (maternal) are from Ireland. I’ve compared the 4 kits. My mother and my results are below. We share same Chr 22 with Ballynahatty female; and Chr 1 with Rathlin1. No shared segments with other 2 kits.
My matches with Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC)
1 11,779,499 13,176,463 3.6 231
8 136,843,565 139,039,589 4 340
9 129,046,512 131,572,027 3.3 332
15 28,344,238 30,371,774 4.4 256
16 79,086,731 79,592,020 3.4 204
22 21,335,559 23,815,573 6 292
my mothers matches:
3 150,672,805 154,681,770 3.4 488
7 148,256,554 150,496,104 4.3 313
22 21,444,030 23,815,573 5.7 254
Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
mine:
1 11,622,979 12,699,337 3.1 246
2 238,311,612 239,600,686 3.1 235
15 66,401,410 67,909,473 3.4 290
15 92,678,378 93,662,283 3.8 303
17 14,323,799 14,936,120 3.3 210
17 56,423,114 61,002,726 3.9 366
18 6,485,543 7,083,007 3.2 204
mothers:
1 11,622,979 12,699,337 3.1 246
2 16,214,286 18,280,641 3.4 336
13 107,576,494 108,448,729 3 237
Kit F999802 (Rathlin2 Ireland 1.9ky cal BC) – No shared
Kit F999801 (Rathlin3 Ireland 1.6ky cal BC) – No shared
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thank you for the details
My brother and I both have matches to the Ballynahatty Female and Rathlin Male 1:
Our matches – F999805
Ballynahatty female
Me
CHR 15 – 4.2 cM
CHR 19 – 4.1 cM
Total 8.3 cM
My brother
CHR 2 – 5.4 cM
CHR 3 – 3.1 cM
CHR 5 – 3 cM
CHR 18 – 4.6 cM
CHR 22 – 3.7 cM & 3.9 cM
Total 23.7 cM
F999800 – Matches
Me
CHR 4 – 3.1 cM & 3 cM
CHR 14 – 4.2 cM
CHR 17 – 5 cM
Total cM 15.3
My brother
CHR 4 – 3.6 cM
CHR 6 – 3.4 cM
CHR 14 – 3.3 cM
CHR 15 – 4.4 cM
Total cM 14.7
No matches to the Rathlin males 2 & 3
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thank you for the details
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No way I am Irish in any meaning.
F999800 Rathlin 1
Chr Centimorgans (cM)
2 4.3
5 3.7
8 3.5
11 4
17 3
Total:18.5F999805 Ballynahatty
Chr Centimorgans (cM)
1 3.8
11 3.3
22 4
Total:11.1-
thank you for the details!
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I match at 3cm-5cm with the female (Ballynahatty) CHR1 (2 segs), CHR2 (2 segs), CHR 14, and 15 (1 seg each).
At 3cm I match the Rathlin1 male on 5 chromosomes, 2,6,7,8 and 9.
My best match is at 6 cms, I still match El Portalón (Spain), potential match to the Basque people. And yes I have Rh – blood type.
These are the results of my maternal uncle. Looks to me like we’ve got the biggest numbers but what does that mean? I’m new to genetic genealogy.
Rathlin1 Male
Chr 1 Centimorgans (cM) = 9.9
Chr 14 Centimorgans (cM) = 3.9
Rathlin2 Male = No Matches
Rathlin3 Male = No Matches
Ballynahatty Female
Chr 1 Centimorgans (cM) = 6.5
Chr 4 Centimorgans (cM) = 3.3
Chr 5 Centimorgans (cM) = 4.8
Chr 5(2) Centimorgans (cM) = 3.9
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the lower the number, the more likely is that this is due to the random nature of inheritance. I would tend to discount anything below 7 cM. But 9.9 cM on Chr 1 is high compared to many other people who have commented. In terms of what it means – it’s purely a matter of interest to see how much DNA we modern humans may share with these ancient DNA samples. In some small cases, researchers have been able to tie a direct descent to older samples, but these archaic samples are so far back, its difficult to draw conclusions.
Rathlin1
Chr 9 4.8cM
Chr 10 3.3cM
Chr 12 3.1cM
Chr 18 4.9cM
Chr 20 3cM
Ballynahatty
Chr 2 3.1cM
Chr 6 4.4cM
Chr 15 3.3cM
Chr 17 4.3cM
I do have matches for Rathlin 2 & 3 on the Ancient DNA but they must be under 3cM because they do not show on the One to One Autosomnal results.
Last year on Ancestry ethnicity I had 11% Ireland but on their latest update no Irish but some Scottish. I have traced a very probable Irish ancestor back to 1798 marrying in Manchester Cathedral. His name was Patrick Keely and his wife was Catherine Fox. Very interesting to see I really do have Irish ancestry.
Rathlin 1 3.4 on Chr 20 and 3.9 on Chr 22. And I am Portuguese. Strange results…
[Migration – F2 – A] and Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 1,680,219 2,733,587 3.5 131
1 38,671,406 41,255,387 4.2 386
1 99,800,813 104,598,941 4.2 530
2 129,865,142 133,346,235 4.7 314
2 169,351,953 170,754,854 3.4 236
2 217,543,728 218,827,913 3 244
3 168,413,945 171,098,402 3.2 364
3 184,517,445 186,018,203 3.1 202
7 148,330,977 150,152,520 3.4 217
8 46,997,459 53,335,677 3.3 376
9 136,832,528 137,426,334 3.6 142
13 22,386,490 23,577,798 3.4 396
13 105,222,776 106,442,955 4.2 298
14 31,343,171 33,128,648 4.5 256
15 39,236,370 41,476,465 3.3 357
15 100,786,271 101,867,487 3.8 163
16 12,136,954 13,555,023 4.1 352
16 78,390,452 79,421,837 6.1 431
17 110,643 993,600 4.3 189
19 2,699,585 3,315,718 3.3 134
21 14,669,931 16,010,681 4.4 161
21 35,444,498 36,839,841 3 312
22 17,469,026 18,047,231 3.5 165
22 22,499,309 23,815,573 3.6 183
Largest segment = 6.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 90.7cM (2.53 Pct)
24 shared segments found for this comparison. This is my sister.
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Thank you for the details.
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Wow… That’s amazing. How old are you? 5,200 years old?
F999800 Rathlin 1
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 22.8cM (0.634 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
F999805 Ballynahatty
Largest segment = 3.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 9.8cM (0.274 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
Pretty cool. I believe Rath 1 is also the one that was R1B-L21 DF13? (would make sense because that is my haplogroup)
Interestingly enough, my male line comes from Germany, and i’m in the Western U.S.
Hello,
Thanks for creating this web page, and the information you posted. I had just done an Archaic Match, on GEDMatch.com, and noticed the matches to the Irish kits. Searching on the kit numbers, I stumbled across your site. Here is the match information, provided by GED.
F999800 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Chr 3 – 3.8cM
Chr 5 – 3.3cM
Chr 6 – 4cM
Chr 14 – 3cM
Chr 18 – 4.5cM
Largest segment = 4.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18.6cM (0.518 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
588141 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.626 Pct SNPs are full identical
F999802 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2
No shared DNA segments found
F999801 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3
No shared DNA segments found
F999805 Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
Chr 2 – 3.4cM
Chr 3 – 3.7cM
Chr 18 – 4cM
Largest segment = 4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 11.2cM (0.312 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
582608 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.524 Pct SNPs are full identical
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thank you for the details
Irish on my mother’s side. Not sure how close I am to Rathlin 1, (maybe someone could tell me ?) but here are my numbers:
Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 31.3cM (0.874 Pct)
9 shared segments found for this comparison.
595303 SNPs used for this comparison.
54.01 Pct SNPs are full identical
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Also: matching segments
Chr 4: 3.1
Chr 4: 3.1
Chr 7: 4.1
Chr 7: 3.0
Chr 16: 3.5
Chr 17: 4.2
Chr 18: 3.8
Chr 18: 3.3
Chr 19: 3.2
Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC) Man1
Chr 2: 3.2
Chr 5: 3.4
Chr 5: 4.1
Chr 7: 3.2
Chr 8: 3.0
Chr 15: 3.2
Chr 16: 3.2
Chr 17: 3.1
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 26.3cM (0.733 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
430915 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.291 Pct SNPs are full identical
Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC) Ballynahatty Woman
Chr 2: 3.3
Chr 3: 4.4
Chr 10: 3.2
Chr 21: 4.0
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 14.9cM (0.415 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
426671 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.858 Pct SNPs are full identical
Minimum segment set to 3.0cM, dynamic threshold size 200-400 SNPs – compared to kit HB1137349
Rathlin1 F999800
Chr 1: 3.1
Chr 1: 3.7
Chr 1: 5.0
Chr 6: 3.1
Chr 8: 4.9
Chr 8: 3.2
Chr 15: 3.0
Chr 18: 6.2
Chr 18: 4.2
Chr 21: 4.0
Chr 22: 3.6
Chr 22: 3.0
Total: 47.1
Largest: 6.2
Rathlin2 F999802
Chr 10: 4.0
BallynaHatty F999805
Chr 1: 5.1
Chr 1: 3.7
Chr 4: 3.4
Chr 5: 3.6
Chr 5: 6.1
Chr 7: 5.8
Chr 15: 4.2
Chr 16: 3.6
Chr 17: 3.7
Chr 19: 5.2
Total: 44.3
Largest: 6.1
My known ethnicity is the English/Welsh borders (Shropshire, Flintshire & Denbighshire) and central England (Leicestershire & Warwickshire) no known Irish or Scots connections found in the last 200 years – though most sites think I should have about 20%?
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Thank you for the details
My name is Loretta Black and I live in Texas in the USA. I share DNA With the Ballynahatty, Ireland Neolithic Female. F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC)
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.6cM (0.099 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
Also with the Bitcom Switzerland, F999803 (Bichon Switzerland 13.7ky cal BP)
Largest segment = 5.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 5.9cM (0.164 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
And Kit F999804 (Kotias Georgia 9.7ky cal BP) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Largest segment = 4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 4cM (0.11 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
By Y’all
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Thank you for the details
Dear Margaret … Thank you for your excellent research.
Only one of my great grandparents was Irish so I am surprised at the number of “hits”.
Living DNA gives my Patrilineal haplogroup as R–L21 (subclade S3058) Bronze Age Celtic.
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Christopher Mulholland comparing A142035 with Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty )
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18.1cM (0.503 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
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With Kit F999800 (Rathlin1)
Largest segment = 4.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 27.3cM (0.761 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
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With Kit F999802 (Rathlin2)
Largest segment = 3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3cM (0.084 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
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With Kit F999801 (Rathlin3 Ireland)
No shared DNA segments found
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thank you for the details!
Hello,
I have with Rathlin 1 & Ballynahatty Female as detailed:
Rathlin 1:
Chr 4: two positions cM 5.5 & 3.6
Chr 5: one position cM 3.2
Chr 11: one position cM 4.5
Chr 18: one position 5.5 cM
Ballynahatty Female:
Chr 7: one position 3 cM
Chr 11: one position 3.7 cM
Chr 13: one position 3.1 cM
Chr 18: one position 3.4 cM
To be honest I’m not entirely sure what it all means – I do have Irish & Welsh on my paternal side, don’t know about my maternal side of family.
Thank you
Hello,
Just including my connection results to Rathlin 1 & Ballynahatty Women:-
Rathlin1:
Chr4: two positions-cM5.5 & 3.6 – SNP’s 707 & 403
Chr5: one position-cM3.2 – SNP’s 335
Chr11: one position-cM4.5 – SNP’s 602
Chr18: one position-cM5.5 – SNP’s 275
Ballynahatty Female:
Chr7: one position-cM3 – SNP’s 306
Chr11: one position-cM3.7 – SNP’s 314
Chr13: one position-cM3.1 – SNP’s 201
Chr18: one position-cM3.4 – SNP’s 231
Not sure what it all means or telling me, but I do have Irish & Welsh on my paternal side, not sure the maternal.
Surprizing or not? I’m a Dutchman with mostly Dutch and German ancestry. My Y-DNA is R-Z8 (below the R-U106 branch, which is a part of the R1b haplogroup). My mtDNA is J1c. I wouln’t have thought I would have a match with these Irish samples, but I do. I match two ancient Irish samples:
at 3 cM treshold (F999800 already is showing at a 6 cM treshold):
F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC): Largest segment = 5.8 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 28.4cM (0.793 Pct). 6 shared segments found for this comparison.
F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC): Largest segment = 4.8 cM. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 4.8cM (0.133 Pct). 1 shared segments found for this comparison.
I assume my R1b heritage from North West Europe is the cause of these matches. I don’t think these matches show that I’m related, but I do believe I share ancestors with these persons.
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thank you for the details
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I match with Ballynahatty woman F999805.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 53,831,467 58,842,418 3.4 600
Largest segment = 3.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3.4cM (0.095 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
407276 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.115 Pct SNPs are full identical
And Rathlin1 Man on.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
3 186,571,559 187,620,527 3.4 257
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
9 25,616,984 27,477,874 3.3 425
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
14 30,880,729 32,786,268 3.9 247
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
15 28,181,981 29,884,907 4.3 203
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
22 48,607,014 49,198,744 4.2 249
Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19cM (0.53 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
411451 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.083 Pct SNPs are full identical
Iain Old) [Migration – F2 – T] and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC) [GEDmatch Xfer]
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 130,576,290 133,165,454 3.5 217
2 231,849,914 233,838,028 3.2 366
3 146,973,383 148,695,855 3.1 329
8 56,466,441 60,195,008 4.4 824
18 6,082,338 6,907,853 3.7 231
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.9cM (0.498 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
596720 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.326 Pct SNPs are full identical
I have a 147cm match with Rathlin 1 at 3cm. Many segments are 4cms or 5cms. My ancestry is 50% Irish with ancestors from Donegal and Tyrone:
Largest segment = 5.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 147.4cM (4.109 Pct)
38 shared segments found for this comparison.
410376 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.122 Pct SNPs are full identical
I have a total of 90cm with Ballynahatty woman.
Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 90.9cM (2.535 Pct)
25 shared segments found for this comparison.
406220 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.912 Pct SNPs are full identical
Hello
I am from Slovakia and 14.8% is a surprise to me. I know that some of the ancestors came to Slovakia from Croatia and Germany, but not from the Celtic countries. DNA probably remained in the Carpathian Basin during migration.☺☺
more than 200 SNPs
Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC-mtDNA: HV0 +195
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
7 83 116 386 89 025 801 3,5 307
Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC:- mtDNA: U5a1b1e,Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1a2c1g
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 133 772 581 137 114 910 3,3 237
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
22 42 567 090 44 929 806 5 279
Rathlin2 Ireland 1.9ky cal BC:- Rathlin2:mtDNA: U5b2a2,Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1a2c1
No Match
Rathlin3 Ireland 1.6ky cal BC: mtDNA: J2b1a,Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1a2c
No Match
ethnicity results – My Heritage
East European 59.6%
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 14.8% ——/ surprise for me/
Balkan 13.6%
North and West European 12.0%
Y-dna R-YP1337 West Slavs – Wends
have a nice day
Rathlin 1 Full Ident. 53.042%
CH.1. 232snp 3.6cm
CH.3. 295. 3.1cm
CH4. 285. 3.9cm
CH.9. 213. 3.1cm
Rathlin 2. No match
Rathlin 3. No match
Ballnahatty female. Full Ident. 52.688%
CH.3 234snp. 3.6cm
CH10. 251snp. 3.6cm
Ballynahatty Woman
Ch8 3.4cm
Ch12 3.6cm
Ch16 3.2cm
Ch17 3.3cm
Ch18 3.9cm
Ch20 5.6cm
Rathlin man 1
largest segment 3.5cm
Ancestry concentrated solely in Co Tipperary with the exception of my O’Neill ancestors who came down from Co Tyrone in the late 1600’s.
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thank you for the details.
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My ancestry is solely from around the same region (Co Tipp, Limerick, Cork) and I also have more shared DNA with the Ballynahatty woman than Rathlin 1 male. I don’t know if it’s significant in anyway, but I think it is interesting that so many who have given ancestry from the more northern regions of Ireland seem to have far more shared DNA with Rathlin 1.
Hi,
This is fascinating! I’m Irish, (both parents are from Limerick), all my great grandparents are from Munster and all my ancestors that I’ve traced to the late 1600s are from Munster/Connacht.
Ancestry DNA result = 100% Irish (and almost 100% of that is Munster), so I thought I would have more shared DNA with the Rathlin male than the Ballynahatty female, according to what has been said about the modern Irish population, but it’s the other way around. (?!) My results are:
Ballynahatty female:
Chr 1: 3.5 cM
Chr 3: 3.1 cM
Chr 6: 4.1 cM
Chr 16: 3.2 cM
Chr 17: 5.0 cM
5 shared segments, largest segment = 5 cM
Total: 18.9 cM
Rathlin 1 Male:
Chr 11: 4.4 cM
Chr 13: 8.1 cM (4.4 + 3.7)
Chr 21: 3.1 cM
4 shared segments, largest segment = 4.4
Total: 15.6 cM
I also find it interesting that no one at all seems to share any DNA with the other two Rathlin males. I wonder why is that?
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It’s a good question. Unfortunately I don’t have a good answer!
I have a heavy mix of Gallowglass Irish, Ulster Scots and lowland Scottish ancestry. It seems my ancestors migrated between Ireland and Scotland every couple hundred years.
I shared with Ballynahatty woman 2 segments 3.4cm and 3.7cm
and with Rathlin man 1 – 3 segments 3.6cm, 5.4cm and 4.0 cm
BTW my g-g-grandmother was an O’Brien from Dromoland in Co. Clare so I ran yours too
and we have 1 segment 4.6cm
I have a lot of O’Brien ancestry, I can trace back to Brian Boru in 17 lines. Genealogist call it pedigree collapse, most folks call it inbreeding and the Irish Protestant gentry really kept it in the family.
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I was playing around with the archaic DNA again and was using the Q matching function. With Rathlin 1 I have a Q score of 132 for a 5.35cm segment. If I googled this right that is a very high certainty.
I’m just amazed at how strong many of these matches are, far more than some of my known 3rd & 4th cousins. I match the female & male #1:
F999805 Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
Ch1: 3.6,
Ch4: 3.3
Ch11: 3.2
Ch16: 3.5
Ch17: 3.1
Ch19: 3.2
Total = 19.9 cM
F999800 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Ch2: 3.2
Ch3: 3.3
Ch4: 3.4
Ch15: 5.1 + 3.1 (8.2 cM)
Total = 18 cM
F999802 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 2: none
F999801 Rathlin Bronze Age Male 3: none
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Be careful not to focus too much on the total cM, as this can be misleading.
Those matching segments of 3.1 and 3.2 are so small that Ancestry, 23andMe, and MyHeritage will not include them when calculating your list of DNA relatives. This is because of the higher probability that they are due to chance.
So, I wouldn’t say that these are strong matches. However, it’s interesting to see these small segments across multiple chromosomes, you certainly have more than I do. -
Pedigree collapse. If the DNA from this ancient person is part of the modern gene pool, many of these segments may be identical by population. May not be from this person though.
Hi,
I am from Finland
Ballynahatty :
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 24.8cM (0.691 Pct)
51.223 Pct SNPs are full identical
Chr (cM) SNPs
1 4,4 215
3 7,1 208
9 4,6 287
10 5,2 238
11 3,6 218
Rathlin1:
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18.1cM (0.505 Pct)
51.292 Pct SNPs are full identical
Chr (cM) SNPs
1 3,3 219
6 4,5 217
8 3,5 277
18 6,8 217
Born & bred in Co. Limerick with strong Limerick/Cork/Kerry roots…
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
4 68,822,218 72,561,180 3.6 315
4 96,163,244 101,132,253 3.9 549
10 116,834,272 119,180,751 3.5 321
11 21,724,734 23,552,720 3.1 243
13 96,186,575 98,750,316 3.1 286
22 47,332,082 48,538,763 4.4 309
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.7cM (0.604 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
3 194,557,213 196,286,536 3.3 207
6 10,982,359 13,290,238 4.6 500
8 72,752,882 74,265,008 3.2 290
15 27,872,136 29,884,907 5.5 285
21 46,173,985 47,577,630 3 258
Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19.6cM (0.547 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
No matches to the other two kits.
Largest segment = 5.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 28.8cM (0.802 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
My sister has an 8 cM segment with Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
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unusually long!
Largest segment = 6.3 cM (457 SNPs) on Chromosome 20
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6.3cM (0.177 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.6
How could our MRCA be 7.6 generations ago? That is a bit confusing.
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Ignore the MRCA number here, it’s useless for ancient comparisons.
Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC
Chr 1 = 3.6
Chr 11 = 3.2
Chr 16 = 3.1
Chr 18 = 3
Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC
Significant
Chr 6 = 3.1
Chr 14 = 5.2
Chr 15 = 3.9
Chr 16 = 3.6
F999800 Rathlin1 Bronze Age Male
Chr #15 = 7.2 CM
Chr #10 = 3.1 CM
F999805 Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
Chr #1 = 3.9 CM
Chr #2 =3.3 CM
Margaret~
My match to you:
Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 12.5cM (0.348 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
435577 SNPs used for this comparison.
49.155 Pct SNPs are full identical
My maternal grandmother was an O’Brien from Nenagh.
F999083
Chr 9 = 3.1
F999804
Chr 20 = 3.1
F999805
Chr 8 = 3.8
Chr 20 = 3.4
Chr 22 = 5.1
I match with Rathlin1:
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
15 27,290,231 29,421,054 7.1 307
Largest segment = 7.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 7.1cM (0.198 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
384374 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.428 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.185.
CPU time used: 0.028.
I have not done the comparison yet, and confess that I did not read all of the comments, but at least in the first 15 or more, I noticed that nobody matched with number 2 and 3 Bronze Age males! Very curious! Kind of makes me wonder about the accuracy of this whole thing.
What are your thoughts about the lack of matches to those two?
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Due to the nature of inheritance, we don’t share any DNA with some of our great-great-great grandparents. So it’s not surprising that the DNA of some of the individuals isn’t appearing now, even in very small amounts.
Largest segment = 151.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 3566.2cM (99.438 Pct)
47 shared segments found for this comparison.
829652 SNPs used for this comparison.
100 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.187.
CPU time used: 0.046.
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whoops-a-doo thought i was the missing link there for a second. Just accidentally compared Rathlin 1 to Rathlin 1.
Here’s mine:
Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 17.4cM (0.484 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
463753 SNPs used for this comparison.
53.938 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.201.
CPU time used: 0.038.-
Ballynahatty:
Largest segment = 5.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 39.7cM (1.106 Pct)
10 shared segments found for this comparison.
459789 SNPs used for this comparison.
53.911 Pct SNPs are full identical
Comparison took 0.209.
CPU time used: 0.035.
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Match 5 segments With Female Highest 5.4cM
Match 7 segments with Rathlin Man #1 Highest 4.7cM
No matches with Rathlin men #2 or #3
My Ancient DNA traces back to Siberia, Russia, Turkey etc.
Neandertal DNA Sweden & others.
Interesting project, thank you!
I am 35% Irish, 20% Scottish, and the rest Nordic & Northwestern Europe.
My Irish DNA traces back to Bronze Age Rathlin Island. Ancient DNA includes Siberia, Russia, Turkey, Iberia & more. Neandertal includes Sweden.
My matches here:
F999805 Ballynahatty woman 5 shared segments, highest 5.4cM
F999800 Raithlin man #1 8 shared segments, highest 4.7cM
No matches with Raithlin man #2 or #3
Thanks for the information!
Daphne Erikson.
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Mum has 8 shared segments with Rathlin man 1, largest is 5.3, total is 32.1. She shares just one segment with Ballynahatty female.
Dad’s sister shares 8 segments with Rathlin female also. Largest segment 5.7, total 30.4cm. She shares 5 segments with Ballynahatty female, 3.8 largest, total 16.5. Ancestry highlights County Antrim as one area she shares most DNA with.
Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
Chr 5 3.2cM
Chr 13 4.3cM
Zip for the other three.
Excellent write up. Waiting on delivery of Y37. After reading this article and running through the ancient DNA sample drill I’m beginning to wish I’d gone with the Big Y-700.
Great Bend, Kansas, USA
Thanks so much for posting this page. I’m very new to trying to understand DNA and this was very helpful and interesting.
According to Ancestry I’m 98% Irish and 2% Scottish. My ancestors are from all over Ireland… counties Kerry, Cork, Waterford, Wexford, Longford, Galway and possibly county Tyronne. There are a few ancestors from Ireland that I have not figured out where in Ireland they were born. On every branch of my family tree there is someone who left Ireland and moved the U.S. beginning about 1850 continuing on to the 1920’s.
Here are my results:
Kit F999805 (Ballynahatty Ireland 3.2ky cal BC)
Chr Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 3.6 468
4 3.4 464
4 3.1 207
10 3.4 289
15 3.6 328
17 3.2 430
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.2cM (0.564 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
426020 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.947 Pct SNPs are full identical
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Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
Chr Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 4.6 262
5 3.3 342
11 3.7 347
13 3.2 409
13 4.3 330
14 4.7 314
18 5.3 271
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Like so many others who have commented I have no matches on the other 2 Rathlins.
Thanks!
Susan
I share Dna with Number 2 F999800 …. On Chromeazone 4, 12and 20. Largest 4.1
Hi, I have very strong Cornwall roots which is also reflected in my Cornish surname. At the recommended 3.0 cM level I only share segments with the oldest Ratlin male.
Comparing My DNA Kit (MyHeritage) and Kit F999800 (Ratlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
Chr B37 Start Pos’n B37 End Pos’n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
2 231,857,076 234,716,827 5.1 340
3 164,967,758 169,250,349 3.1 222
6 133,968,194 137,422,058 5.1 234
9 14,026,089 16,106,801 4.7 268
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 18cM (0.503 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
202965 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.924 Pct SNPs are full identical
But when I checked on the 5cM level (total 10.2cM) it interestingly gave me a Most Resent Common Ancestor reading too! Est No. of generations to MRCA = 7.2
How fascinating it is to read about this discovery. I apparently have DNA from the Ballynahatty Neolithic Female and the Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1. My chromosone distributions are the following:
Ballynahatty:
Chr 1:
B37 Start Pos’n
11 794 676
B37 End Pos’n
13 176 463
Centimorgans (cM)
3,6
SNPs
228
Chr 4:
B37 Start Pos’n
6 237 973
B37 End Pos’n
7 142 427
Centimorgans (cM)
3,9
SNPs
250
Chr 12:
B37 Start Pos’n
78 554 528
B37 End Pos’n
80 853 649
Centimorgans (cM)
3,1
SNPs
278
Chr 15:
B37 Start Pos’n
28 532 120
B37 End Pos’n
30 371 774
Centimorgans (cM)
3,8
SNPs
245
Chr 18:
B37 Start Pos’n
75 051 422
B37 End Pos’n
73 047 983
Centimorgans (cM)
3,3
SNPs
210
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1:
Chr 10:
B37 Start Pos’n
60 121 414
B37 End Pos’n
63 689 077
Centimorgans (cM)
3,6
SNPs
520
Chr 16:
B37 Start Pos’n
20 499 397
B37 End Pos’n
23 403 744
Centimorgans (cM)
4
SNPs
310
Chr 18:
B37 Start Pos’n
7 193 970
B37 End Pos’n
8 287 805
Centimorgans (cM)
5
SNPs
245
Chr 19:
B37 Start Pos’n
51 236 834
B37 End Pos’n
51 875 946
Centimorgans (cM)
3,5
SNPs
221
Greetings:
I’m quite new to GEDmatch and ancient DNA concept, therefore, just for fun I decided to run the numbers from my DNA kits and those of the Irish ancestors’ kits. I did not expect any matches, as I am an ethnic Bulgarian for at least 5 generations, and based on historical specifics, I did not expect any matches from beyond the Balkans.
Yet, I matched with Ballinahatty female Chr. X 6.9cM and Chr. 1 Autosomal 3.1cM. I also have matches with Rathlin Male 1: from Ancestry kit (Chr 2 and Chr 4 with total HIR 10.5cM) and MyHeritage kit (Chr 4 and Chr 21 with total HIR 9.3cM). Zero matches with the other two Rathlin men.
How to interpret these results in context of human migrations? Is it a proof of Westward migration of ancient humans, or are these markers “brought” to the Balkans with Eastward migration? MyHeritage DNA ethnicity estimate gives me 5% Irish, Scottish, Welsh; I guess the second option is more likely.
Thank you
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Remember, these are very small levels of centimorgans and are in the region where the matches could be due to chance (random nature of inheritance). So, they can’t be taken as a level of proof. Treat them as fun and thought-provoking!
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May I ask one more question: if the ancient DNA is of a person who has lived 3- 4- 5000 years ago, shouldn’t be expected the matching segments to be very small size, after generations and generations of splitting? Wouldn’t be strange if any DNA code over 7-10cM has “survived” unchanged after 5000 years?
Thank you!
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I had a few more segments match than I though I would.
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female:
Chr5 3.2
Chr8 3.5 and 3.7
Chr9 3.2
Chr16 3.6
Chr20 3.3
Rathlin Male 1:
Chr2 5.1
Chr8 5.2
Chr10 3.7
Chr12 3.3
Chr13 3.2
Chr16 3.4
No matches to the other two males.
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I don’t know what the One on One X test is on GEDmatch but I did that too and I share with Ballynahatty Neolithic Female:
Chr23 4cm
F999805; Ballynahatty Female; Ballynahatty, NI; Neolithic; Chr3 3.3cM; Chr4 5.5cM; Chr16 3.4cM
F999800; Rathlin Male 1; Rathlin, NI; Bronze Age; Chr1 3.3cM; Chr6 3.3cM; Chr9 3cM; Chr18 3.4cM; Chr20 3.5cM
F999802; Rathlin Male 2; Rathlin, NI; Bronze Age; No matches
F999801; Rathlin Male 3; Rathlin, NI; Bronze Age; No matches
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I am too on the female, chromosome 3, 3.3 Cm
then on chr 9. 3.3 Cm
female
on chromosome 3 and 9 both 3.3centimorgans
I am too on the female, chromosome 3, 3.3 Cm
then on chr 9. 3.3 Cm
F999800
Rathlin1, Ireland, 2.0ky cal BC
Largest segment = 4.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 8cM (0.224 Pct)
2 shared segments found for this comparison.
426043 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.076 Pct SNPs are full identical
Thanks Margaret for this article.
I’m Australian with some Irish ancestry, including in County Antrim.
Ballynahatty woman
Chr 9 3.4 cM
Chr 12 4.1cM
Chr 17 3 cM
Rathlin 1 man
Chr 5 3.3 cM
Chr 16 3 cM
Chr 17 3.7 cM
Chr 18 5.3 cM
Chr 20 3 cM
No matches with the other 2.
Ciao, sono Roberta e vengo dall’Italia e risulto compatibile con:
F999805 Ballynahatty
Chr 23 6.7 cM
Chr 23 6.3 cM
F999800 Rathlin1
Chr 1 4.8 cM
Chr 5 4.6 cM
Nessuna corrispondenza con gli altri 2 campioni.
Ho fatto il test del DNA con MyHeritage e ne risulta questo:
Italiana 46,7 %
Irlandese, Scozzese e Gallese 16,1 %
Greca e Italiana meridionale 13,9 %
Iberica 11,2 %
Scandinava 7,9 %
Finnica 4,2 %
Complimenti per il lavoro che stai svolgendo
I always thought that I was all Norwegian on my paternal side but this comparison shows ancient Irish! Thank you! Very proud to know this! Gary Fruland, Newark, Illinois U.S.A.
Ballynahatty Female: segment 1, 3.1 cM Rathlin 1 segment 7, 3.2 cM
2, 3.1 cM 8, 3.5 cM
2, 3.2 cM 12,3.4 cM
11,3.1 cM 14,4.1 cM
14,3.7 cM 16,3.0 cM
18,3.5 cM 16,4.8 cM
17,4.1 cM
18,6.0 cM
18,5.2 cM
My Campbell line is from county Antrim. Here are my results:
Rathlin 1 man @ 11 segments
#1 @ 3.3 cM
#6 @ 5.0 cM
#9 @ 3.8 cM
#11 @ 3.1 and 3.6 cM
#12 @ 3.1 cM
#15 @ 5.3 and 3.1 cM
#18 @ 4.9 and 3.1 cM
#20 @ 3.4 cM
Ballynahatty Woman @ 4 segments
#3 @ 3.5 cM
#15 @ 3.1 cM
#21 @ 3.4 cM
#22 @ 3.4 cM
After reading this article, I ran my results through the utility on Gedmatch. For the Ballynahatty woman, I have 4.4 on Chr 21, 3.9 on Chr 22. On the Rathlin men, I have 4.1 on Chr 10, no shared matches to other two. Ran my former husband’s through, got 6.8 on Chr 22 with Ballynahatty woman, and 4.2 on Chr 12. He had for Rathlin man #1, 4.9 on Chr 5, 3.4 on Chr 5, 3.3 on Chr 6,and 3.8 on Chr 21. No matches on other two. Endlessly fascinating.
My mother is Irish descent, all four grandparents. Mother from Abbeyknockmoy near Tuam, Father’s parents from Abbeylara near Granard.
Ballynahatty:
Ch 6
137,593,756 138,909,908 3.2cM
161,174,933 162,928,898 3cM
Ch 10
16,523,309 18,276,761 3 cM
21,628,352 25,198,782 3cM
Ch 13
105,798,684 106,914,872 3.2 cM
Ch 14
32,890,538 33,641,264 3.2 cM
Ch 19
13,951,830 15,589,701 3.1cM
Ch 22
49,726,806 50,858,287 3.1cM
Largest segment = 3.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 25.4cM (0.708 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison
Also X-match to Ballynahatty
Ch 23
18,874,926 22,092,532 3.3cM
97,658,775 100,335,866 3.5cM
Going to just do Rathlin1, the other two are pretty low res thus the trouble with matching them. 17! Shared segments.
Ch 1
11,723,520 13,176,463 3cM
Ch 4
187,588,695 189,098,744 3.8cM
Ch 5
8,752,756 10,072,247 3cM
Ch 9
130,545,950 132,268,125 3cM
Ch 10
13,090,093 14,125,653 3.1cM
116,817,768 119,351,90 4cM
Ch 11
70,920,722 75,947,617 4.5cM
3,619,746 4,899,032 4.8cM
Ch12
3,619,746 4,899,032 4.8cM
Ch 13
21,030,892 22,392,836 3.1cM
Ch 15
87,877,972 89,982,237 3.7cM
Ch 16
21,089,688 23,713,395 3.7cM
Ch17
55,728,224 59,470,055 3.6cM
Ch18
6,868,925 7,919,377 5.2cM
74,807,141 76,041,134 3.6cM
CH20
58,226,332 59,134,718 3.9cM
Ch22
36,604,605 37,322,820 3.6cM
47,635,291 48,832,904 6cM!
No X match.
Largest segment = 6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 66.4cM (1.851 Pct)
17 shared segments found for this comparison
That’s my mother’s test, not mine. Really amazing that she matched that much. My father isn’t Irish, so just ran her test against the samples.
This is my DNA match with Rathlin1
Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 126.3cM (3.521 Pct)
34 shared segments found for this comparison.
430386 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.208 Pct SNPs are full identical
Largest segment = 7.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 7.1cM (0.198 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
384374 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.428 Pct SNPs are full identical
At the lowest threshholds, I share a large amount with Rathlin1.
Largest segment = 7.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 116.8cM (3.257 Pct)
31 shared segments found for this comparison.
794143 SNPs used for this comparison.
55.274 Pct SNPs are full identical
Hello – I just recently found out that I had some Irish ancestry. This is very cool to see how much I have as I only have one great grandparent that is Irish.
Ballynahatty
1=3.9
2=3.6
3=4
6=3.9
7=4
18=4.7
51.978 % SNPs full identical
Rathlin1
1=3
6=4.6
8=3.2
12=3.2
17(a)=3.3
17(b)=4.1
52.048% SNPs full identical
I match to the Ballynahatty womqn with a total of 14.5 Cms
I match to Rathlin male #1 a total of 47.7 Cms
Match with Ballynahatty woman
Largest segment = 4.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 23.2cM (0.647 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
My 2nd and 3rd G Grandfathers (Murray) on maternal side lived in County Fermanagh.
My matches to Rathlin1
largest segments 4.5cm
Total Half segment 32.5cm
9 segments found.
Ballynahatty
largest 3.4cm
total half matches 9.9cm
3shared segments
Ballynahatty: Chromosomes 1,4,6,11 14, 15, and 21 Largest segment = 5.6 cM
Rathlin1: Chromosomes 1,2,3,4,5,8,13,14, and17 Largest segment = 4.8 cM
Rathlin2: No shared DNA segments found
Rathlin3: No shared DNA segments found
Hi,
I share a Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 31cM (0.864 Pct) with Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1, with Largest segment = 4.6 cM. Also, I share a Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 30.7cM (0.857 Pct) with Ballynahatty Neolithic Female, with Largest segment = 4.3 cM. I am originally from Puerto Rico and can trace my genealogy back to at least 8 generations locally.
Hi. I am Russian.
Ballynahatty Neolithic Female
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 4.4cM (0.123 Pct)
Rathlin Bronze Age Male 1
Largest segment = 6.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 26.8cM (0.747 Pct)
To Ballynahatty female
Largest segment = 4.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 22.8cM (0.634 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
407541 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.122 Pct SNPs are full identical
chr 2 3.4
chr 4 3.1
chr 7 3.8
chr 13 4.3
chr 15 4.9
chr 16 3.3
Rathlin 1
Largest segment = 6.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 30.9cM (0.862 Pct)
7 shared segments found for this comparison.
411717 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.369 Pct SNPs are full identical
Chr 2 5 and 3.8
Chr 3 3.4 and 4.9
Chr 4 3.6
Chr 18 6.3 and 4.1
No DNA in common with Rathlin 2 and 3
Ballynahatty woman
Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 28.2cM (0.787 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
R1
Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 19cM (0.529 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
R2 & R3 No Match
I share 7 chromosome matches with Rathlin 1 (none with 2 or 3): Chromosome 2: 4.1 CM; Chromosome 3: 3.3 CM; Chromosome 4: 4.0 CM; Chromosome 10: 4.1 CM; Chromosome 13: 3.7 CM; Chromosome 15: 3.2 CM; Chromosome 21: 3.4 CM.
I share 1 chromosome match with Ballynahatty: Chromosome 15: 3.5 CM.
I have documented ancestors from Taghmon, County Wexford, Ireland; Ballingary, County Tipperary, Ireland. My ancestry DNA places my ancestors near Leinster (South Leinster, Wexford) and Munster (East Tipperary).
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